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Post by rogonandi on Feb 28, 2017 0:03:51 GMT
I've got the next one up. Angelo once again takes council in the Steward to the Throne of G.E.A.R.S in regards to Mortaridar.  Click here to go to the comic's archives: Click!Click here to vote for the webcomic: Click! |
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Post by danielxcutter on Feb 28, 2017 1:08:40 GMT
Wishmaster? Homebrew, I assume, but the very name screams "epic CR demon" considering the power of Wish. And considering that Morty's also a 17+ level cleric, I think even Brian and Angelo probably won't have an easy time in a straight fight.
Oh, what does caveat mean? I also have no idea what that divination Angelo used... What's it called?
P.S. If Angelo has a homebrewed PrC that dual-advances arcane and divine casting in addition to Mystic Theurge, then my Elf Arcane Hierophant probably won't win. His build is a little unoptimal, and he probably has less synergy between his two lists than Angelo gets. And then there's Angelo's SLAs and supernatural abilities from his template and symbiote...
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Post by rogonandi on Feb 28, 2017 2:19:57 GMT
Wishmaster? Homebrew, I assume, but the very name screams "epic CR demon" considering the power of Wish. And considering that Morty's also a 17+ level cleric, I think even Brian and Angelo probably won't have an easy time in a straight fight. Oh, what does caveat mean? I also have no idea what that divination Angelo used... What's it called? P.S. If Angelo has a homebrewed PrC that dual-advances arcane and divine casting in addition to Mystic Theurge, then my Elf Arcane Hierophant probably won't win. His build is a little unoptimal, and he probably has less synergy between his two lists than Angelo gets. And then there's Angelo's SLAs and supernatural abilities from his template and symbiote... Well, a Wishmaster is the lawyer-friendly Manjulias Campaign version of a Glabrezu.  In most cases, a caveat is a type of warning. It's my fancy and possibly incorrect way of saying "Yes, with a but..." |
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Post by jssheridan on Feb 28, 2017 3:54:19 GMT
Always read the fine print.
Can we get a cameo from a couple stick figure lawyers to defeat Mortaridar?
Thanks Rogonandi!
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Post by danielxcutter on Feb 28, 2017 6:16:59 GMT
Wishmaster? Homebrew, I assume, but the very name screams "epic CR demon" considering the power of Wish. And considering that Morty's also a 17+ level cleric, I think even Brian and Angelo probably won't have an easy time in a straight fight. Oh, what does caveat mean? I also have no idea what that divination Angelo used... What's it called? P.S. If Angelo has a homebrewed PrC that dual-advances arcane and divine casting in addition to Mystic Theurge, then my Elf Arcane Hierophant probably won't win. His build is a little unoptimal, and he probably has less synergy between his two lists than Angelo gets. And then there's Angelo's SLAs and supernatural abilities from his template and symbiote... Well, a Wishmaster is the lawyer-friendly Manjulias Campaign version of a Glabrezu. In most cases, a caveat is a type of warning. It's my fancy and possibly incorrect way of saying "Yes, with a but..." Surprising, given that Demons are Chaotic by nature. I forget what CR Glabrezu were again, but I'm pretty sure that one with 17+ class levels - in CLERIC no less - is a challenge for those well into epic levels. Although I'm not sure if the caveat stems from that or something else. |
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Post by rogonandi on Feb 28, 2017 6:49:10 GMT
Well, a Wishmaster is the lawyer-friendly Manjulias Campaign version of a Glabrezu. In most cases, a caveat is a type of warning. It's my fancy and possibly incorrect way of saying "Yes, with a but..." Surprising, given that Demons are Chaotic by nature. I forget what CR Glabrezu were again, but I'm pretty sure that one with 17+ class levels - in CLERIC no less - is a challenge for those well into epic levels. Although I'm not sure if the caveat stems from that or something else. A Glabrezu has a CR of 13 and has 12 hit dice. However, since Cleric is a non-associated class the CR for a monster only goes up 1/2 for each character level until the character level matches the hit dice of the monster. Its first 12 levels of Cleric would only raise its CR by 6, but the rest would raise it up at least 5 more since we've seen it use a 9th level Cleric spell. This monster has a challenge rating of at least 24. Fun fact: With a CR of 24 it's on par with Graz'zt according to the Book of Vile Darkness in D&D. |
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Post by danielxcutter on Feb 28, 2017 8:34:55 GMT
CR... 24?! Holy fudgecakes, that's insane! Frakkin' XYKON would get XP for fighting him! Yes, the epic level Sorcerer lich with 12th-level spell slots and Epic Spellcasting!  |
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Post by rogonandi on Feb 28, 2017 11:45:04 GMT
CR... 24?! Holy fudgecakes, that's insane! Frakkin' XYKON would get XP for fighting him! Yes, the epic level Sorcerer lich with 12th-level spell slots and Epic Spellcasting! I also said at least, so it's very likely it's a bit higher than that.  |
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Post by danielxcutter on Feb 28, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
CR... 24?! Holy fudgecakes, that's insane! Frakkin' XYKON would get XP for fighting him! Yes, the epic level Sorcerer lich with 12th-level spell slots and Epic Spellcasting! I also said at least, so it's very likely it's a bit higher than that. Oh you have got to be kidding me... Oh right, Word of God. Typo in the first cut btw. |
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Post by greatdane on Feb 28, 2017 14:59:22 GMT
Does the divination spell cost resources to cast? It wouldn't be a problem for the friggin' King and King to acquire, but am curious nonetheless.
How does one pronounce Mortaridar's name? As I read the comic, I find myself getting tripped up in my head-dialogue with how to say the demon's name.
Great discussion and quick update! Thanks Boss!
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Post by G. on Feb 28, 2017 16:34:53 GMT
CR... 24?! Holy fudgecakes, that's insane! Frakkin' XYKON would get XP for fighting him! Yes, the epic level Sorcerer lich with 12th-level spell slots and Epic Spellcasting! Janusine and Grimalar don't cheap out when they adopt a pet, it seems |
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Post by rogonandi on Feb 28, 2017 19:30:53 GMT
Does the divination spell cost resources to cast? It wouldn't be a problem for the friggin' King and King to acquire, but am curious nonetheless. How does one pronounce Mortaridar's name? As I read the comic, I find myself getting tripped up in my head-dialogue with how to say the demon's name. Great discussion and quick update! Thanks Boss! The improved divination spell does cost resources and some XP to cast. It's not terribly steep, but Angelo can't use a spell like this every day without having to collect some experience somehow to do it. Well I prounounce the Demon's name as Mor-tara-dar, but that might not be correct. I've never been one to pronounce certain words all that well. CR... 24?! Holy fudgecakes, that's insane! Frakkin' XYKON would get XP for fighting him! Yes, the epic level Sorcerer lich with 12th-level spell slots and Epic Spellcasting! Janusine and Grimalar don't cheap out when they adopt a pet, it seems It's a good thing that (usually) this thing is kept under lock and key by various forces in Manjulias, or else the plane would be in constant turmoil. |
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Post by chronos12 on Mar 1, 2017 2:03:30 GMT
Shouldn't the Order God thing also mention Mortaridar is also a 'pet' of a god so he can't be killed by normal means? I mean most would consider that a " ... extra special power"?
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Post by Schismatism on Mar 2, 2017 4:21:04 GMT
I think it's interesting how both Julie and Angelo have more or less gone through the same process - albeit in different ways which befit their respective alignments - and that Quizmalia and Daethros each offered an identical number of questions. (I think when Angelo last called upon the Judge for queries, he too was limited to three.) That seems a bit too coincidental to -actually- be coincidence, like order and chaos are in their way inextricably tied to one another. Of course, I might just be reading too much into things!
Also, that's one heckuva permanent 5-o-clock shadow Brian's got going on there.
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Post by danielxcutter on Mar 2, 2017 4:42:12 GMT
I think it's interesting how both Julie and Angelo have more or less gone through the same process - albeit in different ways which befit their respective alignments - and that Quizmalia and Daethros each offered an identical number of questions. (I think when Angelo last called upon the Judge for queries, he too was limited to three.) That seems a bit too coincidental to -actually- be coincidence, like order and chaos are in their way inextricably tied to one another. Of course, I might just be reading too much into things! Also, that's one heckuva permanent 5-o-clock shadow Brian's got going on there. Well, Angelo and Julie are kinda foils to each other. Julie's the Pendant Keeper chosen by Quizmalia, who used to be the official god of Chaos before getting kicked out; Angelo is a Cleric of Judge Daethros(and I'd bet that he chose to be one; as Daethros is compatible with his alignment without being Evil), and the Judge's not an official god either - it's the steward to the throne of G.E.A.R.S. Julie's the one chosen to reunite the pieces of the Magicant; Angelo's also seeking the Magicant but isn't the legitimate chosen one. Julie is a low-mid level Bard, a class that has a reputation for being weak; Angelo's an epic level Mystic Theurge, and is the strongest spellcaster in the entire plane. Both are married to a partner who isn't straight, but Julie's husband is a martial combatant while Angelo's spouse is a Wizard(probably squishy, too). Julie isn't Lawful - in fact she can't be - and her party members aren't either; Angelo's never shifted an inch from Lawful and most of his underlings are too. |
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